A Danger to Society
That’s the message being sent out by Nine Deuce in her various posts about bdsm.
All of us who engage in the nefarious practices of bdsm are a threat to feminism. We’re public enemy numero uno.
Now, she claims to be on a mission of trying to understand bdsm, really wanting to understand why we (we, as in the submissive females and the dominant males) do what we do and how we justify the damage we’re doing to the millions of women who have fought so bloody hard to give us a better life than the one we choose to live.
Having read through her posts and waded into the hundreds upon hundreds of comments (and read her oh-so-articulate replies like “fuck off” and “go fuck yourself” and “stay the fuck off of my blog” and her tendency to delete comments willy-nilly) I’m rather convinced that she’s not, actually, wanting to understand anything. She has an agenda. (But then, don’t we all? I have one, too. To be left alone, free from the ignorance and hatred she vomits into cyberspace on a regular basis.)
Of course, having a blog as ones personal space to bash bdsm is A-OK in my book. I have a blog that glorifies bdsm (sort of and sometimes) so, sure, bash away, and have a good time doing it.
What interests me about her blog is her apparent honest belief that we cult-ish bdsm peeps are a threat to her world. I mean, I suppose we get used to hearing that we’re “sick, twisted, damaged, blah blah blah” – but to hear that by the very nature of expressing our sexuality we’re dangerous to society as a whole? It’s kind of flattering, isn’t it?
Who knew we held so much power? Honestly, my head could begin to swell right now! I am already planning what I’ll do when I take over the world, right after I finish with this very slow, very tedious, very very loooooong process of destroying feminism by bending over for a spanking now and then.
(insert eyerolls at will)
I actually enjoy a good debate, especially a debate about bdsm and it’s practices, as well as its effects, if any, on society. And I truly like delving into the why’s of it all. Why am I like this? Why are you like that? Why is HE like THAT? But the thing that immediately made me dismiss her as a voice worth listening to was her insistence that she *only* hear from/talk about/ talk to the M/f members of bdsm, while simulataneously blaming that group for the nullification of the feminist movement.
Conveniently, that group are the ones who are a product of a damaged society and who are continuing to damage society. Switches, F/m, F/f, male submissives- you are all safe and free from judgement. You all mess up her theory so let’s just exclude you completely. (Isn’t there a name for that, where one excludes data that disproves the theory?)
Let’s say I had a theory that alcoholic men are alcoholics because their fathers were alcoholics. Then let’s say I wrote a blog about it and only asked for input from men who are alcoholics with alcoholic fathers.
I refuse to acknowledge that women can be alcoholics, too.
I refuse to talk with men whose fathers weren’t alcoholics.
Limiting my “research” to alcoholic men with alcoholic fathers is hardly sufficient proof to thus proclaim that all alcoholics are men with alcoholic fathers.
Which is, essentially, what she has done. She thinks that bdsm is a direct result of societal conditioning. That the only reason men are dominant sadists is because society has led them to believe that they can be, and the only reason women are submissive is because society has made us believe we *have* to be.
Male submissives and female dominants <-- that's how you deal with those pesky theory flubber-uppers!
According to her, feminism, and what feminists fought for, wasn't to give women the choice of how to live or how to express their sexuality. Not at ALL. In fact, she downright scoffs at the idea that we should have a choice. The choice we DO have, according to nine deuce's feminist views? Is to do it her way. That's it. The End. Any other choice is an insult to feminsists everywhere.
"Feminism is about freeing women from male oppression" /quote. It is NOT about choices. And by supporting that old male-led society, we're furthering the suppression of women. Therefore, no matter what *else* we do in our lives, we are not feminists, cannot be feminists, are the archenemies of feminists - and should be shot. Or something.
I haven't commented there, and won't, as getting involved in the argument waging there is a complete waste of time. She's not interested in hearing other voices. Which is sad, really, because some of the people over there who ARE trying to enlighten her are making some supremely important and valid points that she simply refuses to acknowledge.
But I'm going to quote some of her, and her followers, words of wisdom on the world of bdsm. A world that they, admittedly, have no knowledge of beyond a couple of websites. A world that they think they know enough of to condemn, judge, belittle, label, and dismiss. (a bit like how I'm feeling about her actually.)
"I’ve never said that anyone has no right to engage in whatever they’re engaged in, unless they’re hurting people. I think the issue at hand is whether what goes on at Kink.com and as a result of what they do hurts people. I think it does."
(and since she’s concluded that we ARE hurting people, she’s decided we have no right to engage in it)
“If someone can honestly sit there and rationalize how fetishizing non-consensual violent sex that follows the dominant patriarchal norms and is entirely rooted in them is a valid “identity” like homosexuality and race and gender, I’m going to assume the right to assume that they’re criminally intellectually challenged with a persecution complex the size of the Sun.”
(Why can’t domination/submission be a valid identity? I didn’t choose to be submissive, I choose to act on it. A gay person doesn’t choose to be gay, they choose to act on it. A straight person doesn’t choose to be straight, they choose to act – oh, ffs. How can she not see that??)
“You don’t get it. It doesn’t matter if individual women think BDSM rules or participate gladly[...]. What matters is that the existence of this kind of shit is BAD FOR ALL WOMEN.”
(Well damn good thing she’s around to decide for all of us women what’s healthy or not healthy! Wouldn’t want to think for myself or anything progressive like that!)
“It’s a moral judgment, not a call for legal action.”
(Coulda fooled me)
“If you want to participate in this discussion, avoid telling feminists what feminism is about.”
(Indeed. As soon as you stop telling bdsm’ers what bdsm is all about.)
“Just because we want something doesn’t make it right. Being aroused by domination is something we’ve been programmed to do since birth. That doesn’t mean we should hurt people or celebrate pain. And you know what? I will shame people that hurt other people, because in my opinion that is part of the social contract (and it isn’t the sex that is shameful).”
(You should be ashamed of yourself for being such a first-rate, class-less, venom-spewing bitch. Was that social programming for you or did you pick that up along the way? You’re awfully good at it.)
“I’m not urging banning anything, I’m not telling anyone to be ashamed, but I am saying that our goal ought to be a world in which women are truly sexually autonomous beings. That means making choices with regard to sex from a set of options that aren’t limited by patriarchal social conditioning.”
(You are telling people to be ashamed. Repeatedly and often, with colorful words. Your goal, as far as I can tell, is not to allow women to be sexually autonomous beings, as evidenced by your agenda to not allow women to choose how to express their sexuality when that choice doesn’t match yours.)
“Men will keep that up until we refuse to allow it. Feminism is women’s movement, not men’s. They’ve got no reason to give up privilege, so we have to make them.”
(Way to lump all men together. Kinda like how you claim men are lumping women into sexually submissive beings and can’t see them for anything else?)
“Sexual repression has generally been an element of patriarchy, especially when it comes to women’s sexuality. [...] and I suppose my goal is to eradicate the warped-ness and the repression and see if we can’t find something more healthy to do.”
(The only thing I see you doing is trying very hard to replace mens supposed sexual repression of women with your own standard of sexual repression of women. How on earth does that equal “healthy” to you? Your goal to eradicate my style of sexuality? Pretty fucking repressive, in my book.)
“I think that this particular choice wouldn’t be made as often if we weren’t told that our sexuality is shameful and that we ought to have to be led into enjoying sex and/or punished for liking it.”
(Then how’s about you stop telling me that my sexuality is shameful. You’re not setting yourself apart from the men who are suppressing women -if they even exist on the scale you imagine them. You are *joining* them.)
“I genuinely believe that if we were to achieve the end of male supremacy, of shaming women for enjoying sex at all, of the expectation of women’s submission to degradation and domination, that these sorts of desires might not exist at all.”
(Really? Really?? I just… wow. Because, totally, as soon as someone tells me it’s not okay to feel this way, it just goes away!)
“What all of you seem to be missing here is that I’ve never given female subs shit for what they’re into.”
(Lies. Bold-faced lie. Not to mention how she very rudely slammed quoted pieces of a couple of female sub’s blogs that she copied and pasted on her site. But she’s not giving them shit for being into it. No. Not at all. Good ol’ sweetness and light ND!)
“People torturing each other shouldn’t be a part of human sexuality. I’m all for women being free of the shame that society tries to attach to their enjoying sex, but this is not a freedom from that, it’s a result of it. If women weren’t ashamed of their sexuality, they probably wouldn’t develop the desire to be dominated (which removes the responsibility for liking sex from them), forced (same deal), or humiliated and hurt (which works as a sort of penance for enjoying sex).”
(*sigh* Why do you get to decide what should, or should not, be a part of anyone’s sexuality as long as they aren’t a)forcing it on YOU, or b)forcing it anyone else?)
“Men who enjoy torturing women or who enjoy seeing women tortured are the enemies of womankind and the enemies of feminism.”
(Well, I guess all you men can stop supporting feminism now. Relax and throw off that mask and reveal yourselves for He-man Woman Hater’s Club members that you are!)
“And it (the shot/words of the woman proclaiming her extreme enjoyment of the scene that just finished) comes last because I can imagine a guy having an orgasm and _then_ being a bit worried about/disgusted with himself for enjoying this stuff (at least at first). That post-orgasm shot of the women smiling is his palate cleanser.”
(Could not *possibly* be the woman’s genuine reaction to something she thoroughly enjoyed, could it? Nah. Can’t be that. Impossible. She’s too stupid to know what she enjoys. I forgot.)
So, being a submissive is an oppressive role that I have been forced into by society, apparently without my knowledge. A role that she and her femi-nazi followers have missed. I haven’t yet found where she explains how she was able to sidestep what thousands of other women like me were too stupid to notice. She is the special snowflake.
Most surprisingly and, in my opinion, most intellectually dishonest, she continues to categorically deny that she’s the one dehumanizing women in the same breath that she says we’re not *able* to make these decisions for ourselves. I genuinely fail to see the difference between a)someone telling me I’ve been conditioned to not have a choice or that b)I am too ignorant to make that choice. Both seem equally demeaning and dehumanizing.
She does not recognize that women have the emotional and mental capacity to decide whether or not they want to be in BDSM relationships, while claiming it’s men and society who are opppressive. Personally, I find a group of women fighting to criminalize the way I’m living my life to be pretty darn oppressive!
In fact, she advises that us sick fucks should “go kill ourselves”. Now isn’t it a good thing we have her on the side of humanity, working for the greater good of society? Where *would* we be without people like her (besides happier and safer, of course)?
~cunt











