Seriously?
Okay. Y’all are kinda freakin’ me out with the whole woman-president thing.
PMS is a funny thing for women, don’tcha think? It’s okay, cool even in some female circles, to use it as a license to be a raving bitch once a month, up until someone points out that pms is the cause of being a bitch, at which point the voices rise up and get all defensive about NOT having pms.
Whatever. I realize not ALL women have pms. But pms affects *enough* women that it’s commonly known around the globe to be a very real syndrome with very real consequences to women’s lives.
Do I really think pms is the sole reason not to have a female president? No. Not entirely. Being a pms sufferer I *do* give it a more than a passing thought, but being that I’m not entirely ignorant, I accept that it’s not a valid reason on it’s own.
I also give thought to the fact that women, in some cultures, are not seen as equals. I do give thought to some cultures not recognizing a female president of the US as having power, I can imagine that woman not being taken seriously or given the respect that a president would need when dealing with foreign countries. But again, I also know that other countries have had female leaders and it’s been fine.
So those are two things that give me reason to hesitate with a resounding woman’s lib cry of YES! GIRL POWER!
But my main reason for not wanting a woman president is pretty simple, and entirely personal and completely based upon my own opinion, how I see the world, and more importantly, my ingrained belief in male superiority.
I’m not one of those submissive females who is subservient and also a feminist. At least, not a hardcore feminist. Nor am I submissive because I think all women should be submissive, or because the bible said so, or because I think women are weak and/or stupid.
But I DO see men as powerful. I am subservient to men in general because they represent - *to me* – superiority. Strength. Control. Power.
I do NOT see women in that light. I never have. I’m a firm believer in the old-fashioned way of doing things, of having the man be the head of the household and the little wifey quietly behind him. It’s my opinion that men are leaders and women, largely, are not.
Which is not to say that women *can’t* be. But you asked my opinion on something, and I’m giving it. In MY mind, in my world, women are not dominant, men are. Women are not powerful, men are. Women are not authority figures, men are. So would *I* want a woman as the president?
No. I would not.
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Wednesday March 26th, 2008 4:45pm
Oh no! A well-reasoned opinion on the internet!
We’re doomed now. I hope you’re happy.
I’m going to disagree with you on this one. I’d be happy if Clinton or Obama won (though my male dom thinks I’m crazy for supporting Barak…he’s for Hillary all the way). A few points to think about…
1. Hillary Clinton is 51 years old. I think she’s in great danger of suffering the effects of menopause then the effects of PMS.
2. Yes, some cultures don’t recognize women as being equal. But many countries have elected a female leader. Those include England (Margaret Thatcher), Pakistan (Benazir Bhutto), India (Indira Gandhi), Philippines (Corazon Aquino and Maria Gloria Macaraeg Macapagal-Arroyo), Canada (Kim Campbell), Bangladesh (Sheikh Hasina and Khaleda Zia), Israel (Golda Meir), Germany (Angela Merkel), Indonesia (Megawati Sukarnoputri), South Africa (Stella Sigcau), New Zealand (Jenny Shipley), Argentina (Cristina Elizabet Fernández de Kirchner and María Estela Martínez Cartas de Perón), and Panama (Mireya Elisa Moscoso Rodríguez de Arias).
Some of these countries could be labeled as cultures that don’t recognize women as equal (such as the Latin American countries of Argentina and Panama, and the Muslim countries such as Bangladesh, Pakistan and Indonesia). Other countries have already elected more than one woman…apparently without having fallen apart. And the list includes first, second and third-world countries.
3. Some people would argue that a female leader is less impulsive than a male leader. After all, women are more level-headed, and men are the ones who usually seem to cause wars. So might not the world be a more peaceful place with a few more female leaders?
Are women more level headed though?
To answer that question you have to believe men are inherently more levelheaded than women.
I don’t believe that.
Hillary is 60.
http://www.whitehouse.gov
Thank You, you wrote the response that was on the eips of my fingers.
Jenny Shipley wasn’t elected. Helen clark was NZ first elected female PM, Shipley was our first female PM
I pretty much agree with you, I thought I didnt suffer with PMT until I had an encounter in a shop today I didn’t fully understand. (I’m still learning the language) and it was enough to make me cry. Even though I knew I was being all PMT-y and over reacting.
I consider that a fairly calm PMT reaction, so yeah I agree with you!
I can’t wholly agree with you on men being more superior than women, but thats just my thinking, and yours is perfectly fine too.
I just think women are more vulnerable to emotion etc. Maybe that equals to the same thing.
Either way, fair play to you!
I’m curious about your thoughts on PMS.
If women with PMS or menopause gives you pause for thought about a female president’s ability to preform her job couldn’t that logic be transfered to women voting/holding down other stressful jobs/driving even? I think the same case could be made using that logic with many other situations – seems to be a mighty slippery slope. I feel like it’s being talked about as a substantial impairment.
As far as feeling that men are superior? Hey that’s your view, knock yourself out with it. I don’t agree but there’s no harm in not having the same perspective. I like how you described your personal thoughts about your perception instead of going on about how other people are or how they should live by this perception. I’m genuinely appreciative of the wording you chose.
Maybe I’d feel different if I was a Hilary supporter, who knows. I’d be peachy with a female president, I just don’t think she’s “it”.
I don’t think the world will end if we have a female president. I believe that some women aren’t really suited for taking a submissive role. Gender stereotypes are a bit jejune in this day and age. Actually stereotypes at all.
I don’t like Hillary because I don’t agree with her politics, but I do believe that if given a chance, she’d be a good president and would be at least as good as the one we currently have.
And some men aren’t superior. To be sure, there are a lot of men out there who aren’t leaders, are scoundrels, don’t pay their child support, lie, steal, and cheat on their wives, molest children, and fuck sheep! Those aren’t leadership qualities either so it’s hard for me to say that a man will be a better leader just because he’s male. Some men are lead by the nose, lead by emotions or desires and don’t make good decisions. I would no doubt rather have a woman who has good qualities than a man who has poor ones.
Your opinion is your opinion and I’m happy to see that it’s not entirely based on PMS.
I do have to ask though, if faced with a man who has made many questionable decisions and hasn’t been that effective of a leader and a woman who has a good track record and has proven herself, would you choose the man just because he’s male?
Thank you, Kitten. Let’s see: Hillary Clinton or Saddam Hussein? Madeleine Albright or Charles Taylor of Liberia? Elizabeth Dole or Pol Pot?
YES! I feel the exact same way you do – Men represent superiority, strength, control and power to me too. I’m not for a woman presidant because I prefer traditional gender roles. I prefer a male doctor and a female nurse, a male pilot and a female flight attendant…you get the point lol
Hillary was born in 1947. She’s 60 and most likely post-menopausal. I don’t think her hormones or lack thereof should have anything to do with her qualifications, or any other woman for that matter, to serve as President.
I’ll ask a question. It’s still March. Does Scott work with women? Has he ever had to report to one? How does he feel about strong, independently minded, intelligent, sensitive, funny women in the workplace? Is he attracted to them?
I know you’re a wonderful mother, but please help your daughters understand that they can choose to become leaders in any career field they pursue even though you have not chosen to do this for yourself.
My bad math…I should have known she wasn’t 51!
I couldn’t agree with you more, on every single word! And you said it one heck of a lot better than I have, in my numerous failed attempts.
I was gettin kinda freaked out too. I’ll probably be sitting on my hands before much longer. That’s all I’m gonna say ’cause I really don’t want to start ranting.
I DO want to remind these people of one thing you JUST got done saying LAST WEEK:
They do not think that all women should let the husband rule the roost. Not at all. And they have questioned why I don’t challenge him. I simply explain it as this is how I choose to live and that it makes me happy. That they can decide for themselves what type of relationship they want to have when they are adults. I can tell you that Am will probably not be a subservient female. She has gotten ’offended’ on my behalf a time or two and it’s taken several times for me to stand up to *her* about my choices. She’s made her peace with it now and only says that she’ll never want what I do. I tell her she doesn’t have to have it, that’s the beauty of having choices.
i couldnt agree more with the post…im not even going to vote…ill give my vote to Mr. Aaron if He wants it but thats as far as i think any woman should be involved in politics!
“…but thats as far as i think any woman should be involved in politics!”
What about those of us whose involvement in politics pleases our dominant partners? My Sir actually requires me to be concerned with politics and current events to provide good conversation on those subjects. He also expects me to vote and has decided to not decided my vote for me.
I didn’t take offense to Kaya’s position because she avoided language that you’ve used. If *you* don’t want to vote or be involved with politics that’s peachy.
You cross a line when you proclaim the appropriate actions from other people.
*for* not from. Darn typos.
Key phrase there?
– I think -
Her opinion. Her life. Her choice. Her Sir.
He wants her vote? Let him have it.
Your Sir wants you involved. More power to both of you.
Yes this is her opinion.
It’s an opinion about what the people around her should and should not be able to do. She’s taking it away from what she believes is right for *her* and talking about what’s right for *everyone else* (ie. women).
That’s the issue I have with it.
I guess I missed the part where she said we were all going to hell because we don’t feel the same she does. *shrugs*
Delurking after many months to say this:
I am an Emergency Medicine resident (and a woman), in a hospital which often shows up near the top of the US News “best hospitals” list. Our physician staff is > 50% women, and the decisions we make are very high-stress, life & death decisions. While we have fantastic doctors (and mediocre doctors) of both genders, I think if I were going to generalize I would say that the one advantage that the women seem to have is that they actually sometimes spend a bit *more* time thinking before they act. The men tend to ride the adrenalin wave, and act (sometimes) more impulsively, whereas the women survey the situation more fully before jumping to intubate a patient or to shock a patient. In medicine, not acting is sometimes a much better move than acting.
Now, again, we have men-who-are-like-the-women in the respect, and vice versa, but it does make me think about how this relates to tendancies to start a war, launch the nuclear missile, etc.
beautiful comment, abs.
abs,
You have a wonderful perspective, do you have a blog? Id love to hear more from you.
Nelle
Okay.. I have to jump on that Kaya band wagon on this one. I agree with her fully. I hope Clinton doesn’t become president. *hands kaya the magic markers and asks her to help me start making picket signs*
Kaya, I think your opinion makes perfect sense given the life you lead, and it’s one I am finding myself sort of agreeing with. It’s a touchy subject all the way around, but it is no surprise to me that someone who is a slave feels this way. I can’t figure out why it is so shocking to these other readers, and why they think that arguing the point with you is going to do any good. It’s YOUR blog for gosh sakes!!!
i have to agree with kaya as well, all the way around. and as far equating women voting/holding down stressful jobs/driving with the logic of a woman president, i do think that is a stretch. a woman voting is a far cry from a leader of one of the most powerful countries making the sole decision with enormous consequences. thank you kaya for the explanation of your beliefs, very well said.
I am a woman in a career that is typically thought as a “man’s job”, I’ve worked in an office, and I’ve worked in the field (not labor). And I’m a slut at home. I’ve said for years that there is a reason why men don’t like to hire women for “responsible” positions…they are bitchy, emotional, immature, jealous, gossipy, take things personally, and hold grudges. And that’s not on PMS days. I’ve never reported to a woman, and never want to. I know there are exceptions, like myself, and others here, but they are exceptions, not the rule. I’d LOVE to think there can be a woman president, but honestly, we haven’t evolved enough. I don’t think men are any smarter, but for sure they are able to handle themselves better. I’m with Kaya on this one.
“…they are bitchy, emotional, immature, jealous, gossipy, take things personally, and hold grudges. And that’s not on PMS days.”
“…we haven’t evolved enough.”
Yes, yes, yes! You listed everything I despise in women and why I hate working for them. But you really hit the nail on the head with the last one I quoted… the issue of evolution. I have never before heard another woman admit that women haven’t evolved enough. Thank you.
Thank you for your kind words…
You’re most welcome.
You don’t seem to know much about evolution. Males and females of a species do not evolve separately.
Totally not on topic of this post, but I’ve decided to tag your for a meme.
Enjoy. I really did. I think you will as well.
From the EX Master of kaya
we are through and she asked to be released this evening.
S
so…does this mean the Master of the house is a Hilary fan?
I wouldn’t mind a woman president, just not this one. The Clintons come from a mind set that says lying is OK. ” I didn’t have sex with that woman”. ” We had to put on flack jackets and there was sniper fire.” and the most famous lie, ” Don’t ask, don’t tell”.
If you can’t trust what a president says, how can trust that their direction is correct? Isn’t this all about lost trust in the first place? A woman OK, PMS be damned, just please save us from one that doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie.
She has lost the delegate count and continues to tear the party up for her own selfish reasons.
I have to change the words a bit to be able to relate to the problem. Am I fine with a woman being the boss? Yes sure, go for it. Leaders are individuals and women have many great leadership qualities. Men have other great leadership qualities. It is just one of those areas where we are slightly different, but neither side is more or less valuable.
As for presidents and country leaders in general, my experience have been that the motivators for coming there, power and greed, or the motivators of the people financing you while you get there, will per definition preclude any good leader from ending up in a leading position.
I do give thought to some cultures not recognizing a female president of the US as having power
And I suppose that’s why the last two presidents had female Secretaries of State? (Madaleine Albright and Condelezza Rice)
I am the one who asked you what you thought of having a female president.
Your views mirror mine completely. It’s not that I think the world will end if a woman became President. I mean after all, even if she did become President, she would still have a Congress full of men controlling her anyway, ( guess she would be a sub to their Dom…lol)
The fact is it IS a personal opinion that feminist women will never begin to understand. If you are a slave, or a true sub female, you just aren’t wired to believe a woman should be in control. We feel safer, and on surer ground when a man is at the helm… always.
What? Was this a joke? tess? Scott? Did I miss something?
<<>>
What is going on and why is everyone ignoring it?
~magpie
THIS:
Comment by kaya
2008-03-26 21:45:14
From the EX Master of kaya
we are through and she asked to be released this evening.
S
I’m hoping it’s a joke…but I was thinking about it all evening and this morning…..please kaya, tell us it’s a joke.
Anybody else think this is an April Fool’s joke started a few days early to throw us off?
Goodness, I hope so.
This is not funny. What’s going on? kaya please tell us things are fine.
Kaya, I hope things between you and Scott are fine. The written word has a tendency to be bad at conveying tone.
You worded this nicely but for my own personal reasons, I have to disagree with you.
Comment by kaya
2008-03-26 21:45:14
From the EX Master of kaya
we are through and she asked to be released this evening.
S
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WHAT?
I’m with everyone else, when I say how sorry I am if this is true and I hope you can all work it out.
Comment by kaya
2008-03-26 21:45:14
From the EX Master of kaya
we are through and she asked to be released this evening.
S
__________________________
Personally, I don’t think that was posted by [them] at all. I think it’s some reader of the blog trying to stir things up for [them]. Or else [they are] playing a April Fool’s Day joke and the two of them are sitting there reading this and laughing hardily at all of us for “being worried.”
[Comment edited by dara] Personal note, shame on whoever posted this one. Really.
I realise I am a minority in this audience but I believe in female superiority. I think women are more calm,more intelligent, more able to multi task and meet competing deadlines and to handle stress better.
PMS may be a reality but I do beleive womens hormones are less likelyh to derail a presidency than a man’s raving hormones testosterone driven, fucking the secretary etc etc
GO HILARY
I don’t think either gender is superior… people are more similar than we imagine. Everyone is entitled to their own views, but I hope that when you say that men are superior, that you don’t say this to your daughters.
I don’t. I also don’t tell them I like butt plugs and drinking piss. Jesus.
Just a couple of thoughts from north of the border …..
First of all, my Daddy taught me at a young age that anything that bleeds for a week and doesn’t die should be treated with caution.
Secondly cout of concern for all of our safety, I’m not sure that anyone pms’ing should have their finger on “the button”
I agree with the thought that neither gender is superior. Different – of course. “Superior” as in “na-na we’re better than you” – no way.
anyone who can climb to the top of that political mountian of shit is way to covered in crap to be anything but full of it.
man or woman, they’re all full of shit
From the EX Master of kaya
we are through and she asked to be released this evening.
S
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oh, come on, y’all — this is SUCH a joke. Scott doesn’t even post here that often, and this sounds to me typical of his sense of humor.
You’re right, he doesn’t post here often, but I have to beg to differ on this being typical humor.
I don’t think any of us in a serious relationship, Ms, vanilla, whatever, would joke about that.
And I don’t think they would either.
I just hope things aren’t what they seem.
~sad magpie
It worries me even more that she hasn’t posted today.
I don’t think they would pull this kind of “joke” on her fans.
I hope it is one though.
It just worries me
The videos are still up but she did delete the rest of her LJ flist. (maybe unrelated but she was still OL)
If it was a fake comment she would have responded by now I think. So that doesn’t bode well.
Odd to have such a sudden change in the relationship. From what she shared here about love and all that it must have been something truly dramatic if it is really the end. Not something she would feel like posting about, especially since he was the one making her post in the first place.
~Iflie
After this it occurs to me that the ‘released’ might mean from blogging. That the reaction to this topic was too much and they decided that it wasn’t worth it. They still have the vids and, you know, it’s their life.
I certainly hope that’s it, anyway.
Except it says “EX Master” …..:-(
Yups, and there have been much more personal negative responses in the past. She simply deletes those she doesn’t like.
And as for being released from blogging, she would have left a message.
Plus personally I do not really seriously believe her insistence she only did it because he made her. Even if she thinks so.
Sure there will have been plenty of times she didn’t feel like it but she didn’t write like someone who is simply reporting as ordered. Nor can you not build up some relationship with either the blog or the readers over the years. Unless you are a robot and she certainly isn’t. IMHO
~Iflie
Ive never said that I ONLY post because he makes me. It is one of the rules and I do *have* to post a lot of times when I’d rather not, but obviously that’s not my only reason for blogging. I blog because, for the most part, I enjoy it. If it were entirely my choice to make, I might change the subject material a bit (and post a lot less pictures. Like, none.) but I’ve never said I’m only doing it out of obedience. If I gave you that impression, it was a miscommunication on my part.
yeah, I hope they just had a blow up and are working it out.
Part of me thinks it’s not Him : the rhythm doesn’t feel like other times He’s posted; but the fact that she hasn’t been here makes me wonder.
We can only hope all will be well.
Actually, magpie, I am in a serious relationship. When I told my Dom about your comment, he said “Well, if you couldn’t joke about a relationship, you wouldn’t be in a serious relationship with me.” But that’s just us.
But really…I thought it was a joke because here’s this huge debate about male superiority that is obviously not going to change Kaya’s mind about anything. And right in the middle of it, Scott says that Kaya’s been asked to be released. I thought the joke was him ironically saying that she had changed her mind after all due to this discussion and suddenly *didn’t* believe in male superiority.
Anyway, I have apologized to Scott and Kaya in the other topic. It was not my intention to be disrespectful. Written words just don’t always come across effectively.
Lee,
Honestly, it’s okay. I completely understood why you thought it was a joke. It really came out of the blue, the subject of the original post, all of it. No worries at all. Nothing to apologize for.
Hugs,
kaya
“I wouldn’t mind a woman president, just not this one.”
I damn well agree with that point. The Clintons are not people that I want in the White House again. Especially her. I wouldn’t trust them ever.
I’m not sure who the hell I’m going to vote for, because I’m not real happy with any of them Republican or Democrat.
I’d love to able to write in someone that has the intelligence, common sense, and the virtues that are truly necessary, but I’m at a loss as to who that would be in politics or out. I’m sad, that I have no clear choice for November… *sigh*
It sounds like a hoax to me. Or maybe it’s reaction to the commenter who posted their real last names. Maybe they’re retreating for safety reasons or something.
Since I’ve had a few questions float my way…
I don’t think it is.
Others tried to warn her about the comment in question but she didn’t respond so they came to me to edit it. (Thankfully I still have that power here.)
On reading the comments and seeing his, I checked to see if it was a hoax but, sadly, saw that it came from their IP address. Unless someone managed to spoof it, it had to have come from one of them and given that Sir S may not know how to do an actual post here yet…
And now there’s the fact that her LJ list is gone, even though that may be unrelated as (was it Ilfie?) mentioned.
All I can say is ya’ll please keep them in your thoughts (and prayers if that’s your thing).
–Dara
Thank you. For removing the names, for supporting me, for replying to some of the comments. I owe you big time. You’re a great friend. Hugs-n-kisses.
just to throw my 2 cents out there…i don’t think anyone who “wants” the job should have it…personally i think that every 4 years a list should be created of 50 people who have been influentual and extraordinary and they should be drafted…and then the people vote and who ever wins the total vote is declaired president…just an idea…and i also hope that things with Tess and Himself are ok…
fown
I have been out of the loop in the last few days, but I am glad to come back and find the distress over this issue (gender and presidency, not ‘kaya’s release’…which is yes, surprising).
I fully agree with the fact that all people are entitled to their opinions. That said, I find it hard to stomach gender being cited as a deficiency. And IN MY OPINION, in a community that suggests we all be free to pursue the lives we carve out for ourselves, it is shocking to find those same members negating lives women (women in general</i), of all things) want to carve for themselves in politics. “Best man for the job” has become literal and outrageously binding. What next? Asians? Left-handers? Fat people? Dog owners?
Emotionality comes in all genders. Look at Howard Dean, even McCain, comparatively. Napoleon? Hitler?! Conversely, emotionality is also a chief component of compassion, empathy, strength. Emotionality helps us remember that people are individuals, not pawns. Moreover, to suggest that women are not equally sources and representative of strength, control and power is demeaning, it’s crippling. Specifically:
“Women are not powerful, men are. Women are not authority figures, men are.”
And do you know why? Because we are the architects of our own impotence. WE–we women–say women cannot measure up, will not be respected, are not deserving of power; and it is so. If we do not accept this, if we say: Yes, women ARE capable, and deserving–then we give them a fucking chance to prove it to those who would believe ‘it isn’t that way, so how could it be that way?’
It’s just hard to think that there are people, men and women alike, that will stand in the way of progress, of the potential for change, simply because someone has a cunt.
Anyway,
Women are really just penis-less men after all.
Well put.
OK… Devil’s advocate here…
Margaret Thatcher.
I once heard her speak and I was *very* impressed.
She guided Britain out of its welfare state mentality, leaving France behind in that respect.
Also kicked some ass in the Falklands.
Also helped the U.S. when we bombed Libya.
I’m a male Dom… so I’m basically asking this to spur discussion…
Is she the exception that proves the rule?
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