Comments on: Oppression is in the eye of the oppressed? http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed The trials and tribulations of my life as a slave. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:02:56 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Is Kink Oppressed? Is it Oppressed like ____? « Making time for sex (or spankings) http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12322 Is Kink Oppressed? Is it Oppressed like ____? « Making time for sex (or spankings) Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:31:37 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12322 [...] Is Kink Oppressed? Is it Oppressed like ____? Serious discussion! First, some definitions. It’s useful to be on the same page so to speak… Kaya got me going. [...] [...] Is Kink Oppressed? Is it Oppressed like ____? Serious discussion! First, some definitions. It’s useful to be on the same page so to speak… Kaya got me going. [...]

]]> By: Lana http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12139 Lana Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:13:06 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12139 Hey, I was just wodering if spanking and stuff like it, are they counted as violence against wemon? I mean for us it's obviously consentual, but if like a nieghbore or somone saw you through a window and called the cops what would you say? Hey, I was just wodering if spanking and stuff like it, are they counted as violence against wemon? I mean for us it’s obviously consentual, but if like a nieghbore or somone saw you through a window and called the cops what would you say?

]]> By: DL's toy http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12118 DL's toy Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:20:33 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12118 I think there are so many good points in the text & comments section that i could never really top. However, i think we've come a long way in tolerating different lifestyles. i say we as in "the US" i don't know about other countries. You're always going to have those who refuse to accept it, live repressed lives, those who are actively anti- something. But in general, we've developed tolerance for alternative lifestyles, in my opinion. i think M/s is first a choice (sexual experiementation) and then becomes a lifestyle. Again, my opinion. Interesting. You're always so engaging! xoxx I think there are so many good points in the text & comments section that i could never really top. However, i think we’ve come a long way in tolerating different lifestyles. i say we as in “the US” i don’t know about other countries. You’re always going to have those who refuse to accept it, live repressed lives, those who are actively anti- something. But in general, we’ve developed tolerance for alternative lifestyles, in my opinion.

i think M/s is first a choice (sexual experiementation) and then becomes a lifestyle. Again, my opinion. Interesting.

You’re always so engaging!
xoxx

]]> By: Garden Fence http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12092 Garden Fence Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:53:04 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12092 I think there's merit in getting people to see that being kinky and being gay are *not at all* the same thing... and that they deserve the same acceptance because whatever people do with consenting adults they love is no grounds for denial of human or social rights. I think there’s merit in getting people to see that being kinky and being gay are *not at all* the same thing… and that they deserve the same acceptance because whatever people do with consenting adults they love is no grounds for denial of human or social rights.

]]> By: puppy http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12076 puppy Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:17:45 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12076 Go kaya!--RE the "feminist" (hater) blog catching grief. I'm sure your readers had much to do with it. :) Go kaya!–RE the “feminist” (hater) blog catching grief. I’m sure your readers had much to do with it. :)

]]> By: Amber http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12061 Amber Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:54:45 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12061 fyrespryte said: <i>You want to know why black people had it worse? Because they couldn’t hide. They couldn’t pretend that their skin was another color, like a homosexual could pretend that their lover was their roommate, or like a kinky individual can pretend to be vanilla</i> Good point. fyrespryte said: You want to know why black people had it worse? Because they couldn’t hide. They couldn’t pretend that their skin was another color, like a homosexual could pretend that their lover was their roommate, or like a kinky individual can pretend to be vanilla

Good point.

]]> By: fyrespryte http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12057 fyrespryte Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:53:54 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12057 I can understand the kneejerk reaction of homosexuals to want to contrast and compare the opression, the rights that they are fighting for...but really, do the degrees really matter when what we're really talking about here, fundamentally...is the right to be who you are without fearing retribution and without having to hide it? What do the legal ramifications matter when you boil it down like that? I agree with the argument that someone above made, that it's the slippery slope thing that gets pulled out...except that that's an illogical emotional argument and it should be pointed out as such. No one should ever be kept from being who they are...unless they are hurting someone else. I'm pretty sure that rapists and pedophiles fall into the category of non-consensual...hurting someone else. As far as I'm concerned, even though the degrees don't really matter...homosexuals refuse to see that kinky people are actually dealing with the same thing that they are...only backwards. Homosexuals are fighting for the same rights that any married couple have...kinky people are fighting to KEEP the rights that they have...and only have because they pretend to be "normal". The moment that anyone comes out of their closet...they are going to lose those rights in a good amount of cases. They will lose their job, they will lose their reputations (which is necessary to function in business) they will loose their children and in some cases, they will loose their freedom and be put in a cage for a victim-less crime. You want to know why black people had it worse? Because they couldn't hide. They couldn't pretend that their skin was another color, like a homosexual could pretend that their lover was their roommate, or like a kinky individual can pretend to be vanilla. But...all of those comparisons, like I said before...don't matter because ANYTHING that takes away an individuals freedom to live their lives in the way that makes them most happy...that doesn't hurt someone else...is wrong and the fact that these different factions refuse to stand together and recognize that is sad...and doesn't give me a lot of hope that what SHOULD be happening...that EVERYONE should stand up together and recognize that fact (in a multitude of areas in our society, not just this one) will ever happen. I can understand the kneejerk reaction of homosexuals to want to contrast and compare the opression, the rights that they are fighting for…but really, do the degrees really matter when what we’re really talking about here, fundamentally…is the right to be who you are without fearing retribution and without having to hide it? What do the legal ramifications matter when you boil it down like that?

I agree with the argument that someone above made, that it’s the slippery slope thing that gets pulled out…except that that’s an illogical emotional argument and it should be pointed out as such. No one should ever be kept from being who they are…unless they are hurting someone else. I’m pretty sure that rapists and pedophiles fall into the category of non-consensual…hurting someone else.

As far as I’m concerned, even though the degrees don’t really matter…homosexuals refuse to see that kinky people are actually dealing with the same thing that they are…only backwards. Homosexuals are fighting for the same rights that any married couple have…kinky people are fighting to KEEP the rights that they have…and only have because they pretend to be “normal”. The moment that anyone comes out of their closet…they are going to lose those rights in a good amount of cases. They will lose their job, they will lose their reputations (which is necessary to function in business) they will loose their children and in some cases, they will loose their freedom and be put in a cage for a victim-less crime.

You want to know why black people had it worse? Because they couldn’t hide. They couldn’t pretend that their skin was another color, like a homosexual could pretend that their lover was their roommate, or like a kinky individual can pretend to be vanilla. But…all of those comparisons, like I said before…don’t matter because ANYTHING that takes away an individuals freedom to live their lives in the way that makes them most happy…that doesn’t hurt someone else…is wrong and the fact that these different factions refuse to stand together and recognize that is sad…and doesn’t give me a lot of hope that what SHOULD be happening…that EVERYONE should stand up together and recognize that fact (in a multitude of areas in our society, not just this one) will ever happen.

]]> By: fyrespryte http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12056 fyrespryte Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:38:58 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12056 From above: "While we DO have every right to be recognized as people and not freaks, why do other people have to know what goes on in our bedroom?" Because for a lot of people who engage in BDSM, particularly those who engage in D/s and make this a way of life, it's not what goes on in the bedroom that matters. For people who engage in kinky sex, yes, it's a simple matter of viewing it as a matter of privacy and that no one needs to know what goes on in your bedroom. Of course, there is still the fear of having to slink around in your small home town because even being spotted at an adult sex store puts your job, your reputation, your life as you know it in that town...at risk. But for those of us who live it...it's more than that. Yes, it is sexualized. Both homosexuality and D/s are sexual in nature which is THE problem. Our society...the puritan ancestors of our society...have had a HUGE impact on the way that people, even today, think about sex and sexual activity. I mean...sure, there's a sex store on every corner...people talk about sex a lot more openly and you see it on tv all the time..but truly...deep down, the MAJORITY of people are ashamed of their sexuality. They're ashamed of "normal" sexuality so anything that is different: homosexuality, kink....is taboo so anything that represents those relationships, ie: the people involved in them themselves, they are going to want to shove back into the closet so that they don't have to look at them...or worse yet, destroy them altogether so that they don't even exist. And...well, Kaya...unfortunately, many of the things that you described in your post about wishing that they were different? Those things don't have anything to do with the oppression of kink as they do the effect that feminism has had on the minds of women. (and to some extent, men) but that's another soapbox for another time. From above: “While we DO have every right to be recognized as people and not freaks, why do other people have to know what goes on in our bedroom?”

Because for a lot of people who engage in BDSM, particularly those who engage in D/s and make this a way of life, it’s not what goes on in the bedroom that matters. For people who engage in kinky sex, yes, it’s a simple matter of viewing it as a matter of privacy and that no one needs to know what goes on in your bedroom. Of course, there is still the fear of having to slink around in your small home town because even being spotted at an adult sex store puts your job, your reputation, your life as you know it in that town…at risk.

But for those of us who live it…it’s more than that. Yes, it is sexualized. Both homosexuality and D/s are sexual in nature which is THE problem.

Our society…the puritan ancestors of our society…have had a HUGE impact on the way that people, even today, think about sex and sexual activity. I mean…sure, there’s a sex store on every corner…people talk about sex a lot more openly and you see it on tv all the time..but truly…deep down, the MAJORITY of people are ashamed of their sexuality. They’re ashamed of “normal” sexuality so anything that is different: homosexuality, kink….is taboo so anything that represents those relationships, ie: the people involved in them themselves, they are going to want to shove back into the closet so that they don’t have to look at them…or worse yet, destroy them altogether so that they don’t even exist.

And…well, Kaya…unfortunately, many of the things that you described in your post about wishing that they were different? Those things don’t have anything to do with the oppression of kink as they do the effect that feminism has had on the minds of women. (and to some extent, men) but that’s another soapbox for another time.

]]> By: Chanin http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12051 Chanin Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:12:31 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12051 Oppression is in the eye of the beholder I think. There are different degrees I think. Slavery (in the historical sense)was more oppressive than the present oppression on homosexuals, which is at times more opressive than that of the African American, Native and Mexian populations. Is the kink community oppressed? I think so. When my lifestyle choices could legally (yay moral turpetide) cause me to lose my teaching licsense, or effect my chances at adoption it certainly sound oppressive to me. But the oppression is of a lower degree than some others. I would like to live my life freely without the chance of losing my job or children- I don't want to wear a leash in public, or sit on the floor in a cafe, I just want to get knocked around by a guy in leather sometimes ^^ Oppression is in the eye of the beholder I think. There are different degrees I think. Slavery (in the historical sense)was more oppressive than the present oppression on homosexuals, which is at times more opressive than that of the African American, Native and Mexian populations.

Is the kink community oppressed? I think so. When my lifestyle choices could legally (yay moral turpetide) cause me to lose my teaching licsense, or effect my chances at adoption it certainly sound oppressive to me. But the oppression is of a lower degree than some others. I would like to live my life freely without the chance of losing my job or children- I don’t want to wear a leash in public, or sit on the floor in a cafe, I just want to get knocked around by a guy in leather sometimes ^^

]]> By: cookie http://underhishand.com/oppression-is-in-the-eye-of-the-oppressed#comment-12044 cookie Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:04:13 +0000 http://underhishand.com/?p=2616#comment-12044 Back in the 50's, women were expected to ask their husbands for permission on almost everything...womens lib is good..but sometimes not for everything! sad how things that were acceptable before are looked upon badly now. Makes you wonder if those couples in the 50's were just really kinky! Back in the 50’s, women were expected to ask their husbands for permission on almost everything…womens lib is good..but sometimes not for everything! sad how things that were acceptable before are looked upon badly now. Makes you wonder if those couples in the 50’s were just really kinky!

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