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	<description>The trials and tribulations of my life as a slave.</description>
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		<title>By: Master's ~melly</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42329</link>
		<dc:creator>Master's ~melly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that would be valid as an argument if the only things people were doing involved bottoms and bruises on butts. but they don&#039;t. people use canes on torsos and the soles of feet, engage in breath and blood play, cut people, and  draw blood from veins. 

there are some seriously heavy things going on that people really COULD die from if done too hard, too long, incorrectly etc. (and by the way, even &quot;you can&#039;t die from a burised butt&quot; doesn&#039;t pass muster, because if the bruises are large, deep, and heavy enough, you can have an embolism. always a risk, though not one ANYONE seems to say much about, espescially if the bruises are on one&#039;s butt. 

and you can easily die from a staph infection if it&#039;s not handled. 

so i call hooey on your excuse for eye-hitting being anathema. too many other accepted and omg loved activities are JUST as dangerous. 

Kaya, it&#039;s called a double standard, because people just HAVE to have something that&#039;s &quot;too far&quot; so they can laways say, &quot;well, i may be kinky and whatever, but i&#039;d never go THAT FAR...&quot; and that necessitates having a &quot;THAT FAR&quot;. things normally associated with DV are an easy out. 

i had a face slapping scene with Master once in a public dungeon. He was slapping my face with a low-to-medium amount of force, and my cheeks were barely even getting red. right next to us, a guy was seriously tearing chunks out of his girl witha whip onher shoulders and upper back. 

folks left the area because of OUR scene. 

personally, i didn&#039;t give a rat&#039;s patoot about it. their loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that would be valid as an argument if the only things people were doing involved bottoms and bruises on butts. but they don&#8217;t. people use canes on torsos and the soles of feet, engage in breath and blood play, cut people, and  draw blood from veins. </p>
<p>there are some seriously heavy things going on that people really COULD die from if done too hard, too long, incorrectly etc. (and by the way, even &#8220;you can&#8217;t die from a burised butt&#8221; doesn&#8217;t pass muster, because if the bruises are large, deep, and heavy enough, you can have an embolism. always a risk, though not one ANYONE seems to say much about, espescially if the bruises are on one&#8217;s butt. </p>
<p>and you can easily die from a staph infection if it&#8217;s not handled. </p>
<p>so i call hooey on your excuse for eye-hitting being anathema. too many other accepted and omg loved activities are JUST as dangerous. </p>
<p>Kaya, it&#8217;s called a double standard, because people just HAVE to have something that&#8217;s &#8220;too far&#8221; so they can laways say, &#8220;well, i may be kinky and whatever, but i&#8217;d never go THAT FAR&#8230;&#8221; and that necessitates having a &#8220;THAT FAR&#8221;. things normally associated with DV are an easy out. </p>
<p>i had a face slapping scene with Master once in a public dungeon. He was slapping my face with a low-to-medium amount of force, and my cheeks were barely even getting red. right next to us, a guy was seriously tearing chunks out of his girl witha whip onher shoulders and upper back. </p>
<p>folks left the area because of OUR scene. </p>
<p>personally, i didn&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s patoot about it. their loss.</p>
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		<title>By: simplyfem</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42217</link>
		<dc:creator>simplyfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i win! i win! i win! the first time ever stumper award! me thinks that this triumph will be short lived as i have full faith and confidence that you will in fact respond...hence i will wallow in glory for a limited time....*wiggles off whistling a tune rolling in glory*   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i win! i win! i win! the first time ever stumper award! me thinks that this triumph will be short lived as i have full faith and confidence that you will in fact respond&#8230;hence i will wallow in glory for a limited time&#8230;.*wiggles off whistling a tune rolling in glory*   :)</p>
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		<title>By: nilla</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42209</link>
		<dc:creator>nilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! took me 3 tries to type my email in the form I was laughing so hard (and coughing) APORKALPSE!! (nilla keels over, laughing to the end....)
ps fever broke, nilla is better
[rq=1157183,0,blog][/rq]&lt;a href=&quot;http://vanillamom.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/benched/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benched&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! took me 3 tries to type my email in the form I was laughing so hard (and coughing) APORKALPSE!! (nilla keels over, laughing to the end&#8230;.)<br />
ps fever broke, nilla is better<br />
[rq=1157183,0,blog][/rq]<a href="http://vanillamom.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/benched/" rel="nofollow">Benched</a></p>
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		<title>By: dweaver999</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42198</link>
		<dc:creator>dweaver999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaya,

Ironically, it was you and Toy that got me to the point where I can reach option 4.  Both of you provoked that, &quot;OMG!&quot; reaction when I first found you.  My heart said you were being abused, but my mind said, &quot;but, she seems so happy about it.&quot;

I also recall seeing similar initial reactions to your boob nailing scene.  At least two people looked; their mouths dropped; and they had to sit and watch the &quot;train wreck.&quot;  it was so cool.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaya,</p>
<p>Ironically, it was you and Toy that got me to the point where I can reach option 4.  Both of you provoked that, &#8220;OMG!&#8221; reaction when I first found you.  My heart said you were being abused, but my mind said, &#8220;but, she seems so happy about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also recall seeing similar initial reactions to your boob nailing scene.  At least two people looked; their mouths dropped; and they had to sit and watch the &#8220;train wreck.&#8221;  it was so cool.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: TakenbyLovely</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42197</link>
		<dc:creator>TakenbyLovely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aporkalypse!  *Dies laughing*
[rq=1154551,0,blog][/rq]&lt;a href=&quot;http://takenbylovely.livejournal.com/18497.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public Post&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aporkalypse!  *Dies laughing*<br />
[rq=1154551,0,blog][/rq]<a href="http://takenbylovely.livejournal.com/18497.html" rel="nofollow">Public Post</a></p>
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		<title>By: kaya</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42192</link>
		<dc:creator>kaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is a specific spot on the inside of the nose / eye that, when pressure is applied, will cause a black eye to form&quot;

That&#039;s interesting! I wonder if that would eliminate the abuse label. 

&quot;While my friends in the lifestyle *might* accept my black eye, people walking down the street certainly will not.&quot;

I agree. And had that picture been on a vanilla site, I&#039;d have not been the least bit surprised over questions of abuse. That it was on a kink site and still had some of that reaction was just baffling. 

I know I should, someday, stop being baffled by things like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is a specific spot on the inside of the nose / eye that, when pressure is applied, will cause a black eye to form&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting! I wonder if that would eliminate the abuse label. </p>
<p>&#8220;While my friends in the lifestyle *might* accept my black eye, people walking down the street certainly will not.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. And had that picture been on a vanilla site, I&#8217;d have not been the least bit surprised over questions of abuse. That it was on a kink site and still had some of that reaction was just baffling. </p>
<p>I know I should, someday, stop being baffled by things like this.</p>
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		<title>By: kaya</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42191</link>
		<dc:creator>kaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooooooh! Thank you! I had no idea. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooooooh! Thank you! I had no idea. :)</p>
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		<title>By: kaya</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42190</link>
		<dc:creator>kaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but a strike to the face that results in a black eye is too much????&quot;

Well. It&#039;s just abusive, that&#039;s all. You got a problem with that???? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but a strike to the face that results in a black eye is too much????&#8221;</p>
<p>Well. It&#8217;s just abusive, that&#8217;s all. You got a problem with that???? :P</p>
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		<title>By: kaya</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42189</link>
		<dc:creator>kaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1) their rule is silly and not needed, because you can play safely with those areas of the body. 2) these other people are more extreme…better slaves…whatever…than they are. So, of course, they take option 3) this must have been abuse, not play; while ignoring the obviously correct answer 4) I guess they’re just different than I am.&quot;

That was awesome, Dave! I&#039;m totally going to quote you on that at some point in the future. That is exactly the thought path a lot of them take, I bet.

I remember those two scenes (I think. If we&#039;re on the same ones) and I had that gut reaction of &quot;OMGZ! She&#039;s gunna DIEEE!&quot;- and then quickly reaching point 4 on your list and being able to enjoy watching it for what it was. 

&quot;Have you noticed the gender bias?&quot;

I have. In fact, I&#039;m probably guilty of it. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1) their rule is silly and not needed, because you can play safely with those areas of the body. 2) these other people are more extreme…better slaves…whatever…than they are. So, of course, they take option 3) this must have been abuse, not play; while ignoring the obviously correct answer 4) I guess they’re just different than I am.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was awesome, Dave! I&#8217;m totally going to quote you on that at some point in the future. That is exactly the thought path a lot of them take, I bet.</p>
<p>I remember those two scenes (I think. If we&#8217;re on the same ones) and I had that gut reaction of &#8220;OMGZ! She&#8217;s gunna DIEEE!&#8221;- and then quickly reaching point 4 on your list and being able to enjoy watching it for what it was. </p>
<p>&#8220;Have you noticed the gender bias?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have. In fact, I&#8217;m probably guilty of it. :P</p>
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		<title>By: kaya</title>
		<link>http://underhishand.com/dv-wtf#comment-42188</link>
		<dc:creator>kaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. 

Besides, I know some DV &quot;survivors&quot; (I hate that word) who would lust over it. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>Besides, I know some DV &#8220;survivors&#8221; (I hate that word) who would lust over it. ;)</p>
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