“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.”
“Why is it OK to kill an animal but not to fuck one?”
That’s the latest question on Fetlife.
From K_D –
“So you’re quite happy to have them killed to suit your taste buds. You’re rally comfortable with the thought of a baby lamb dangling from a meat hook, twitching away as the last of its lifeblood oozes out of its throat.
But if a woman gets a ram to fuck her from behind she’s evil?”
Consent seems to be the big hang up when discussion turns to bestiality.
“But but but… Poor Fido didn’t consent to being fucked!”
Well, I doubt he consented to being chopped up for stew, either.
Neither did I consent to having my leg humped and my shoes dribbled on.
Call me crazy, but any animal with a boner trying it’s damndest to stick it in a hole appears to be consenting – and with great enthusiasm.
“But but but… Poor, poor Fido was trained to do that. Poor dear.”
As animal owners, we train our pets to do a variety of things. We train them to work, plowing fields, or carrying some fat, lazy cowboy’s ass from here to Timbuktu. We train them to fetch newspapers and beer cans. We train them to perform, sit, stay, roll over, speak, dance. We train them to kill, to hunt. We dress them up and parade them around for shits and giggles.
We cage them. Fence them in. Make them pee outside when it’s 20 below.
I wonder if they consented to any of that.
I wonder if they LIKE it. I mean, I think they do and I have no moral objection to teaching Fido to sit, cuz, when I see a dog wagging it’s tail and rolling over for a treat with a big ol’ slobbery doggy grin on its face, I’m thinking he consented as well as an animal can.
I’ve seen a fair share of bestiality porn on the net and when I see a dog enthusiastically, almost viciously, mounting a woman? I’m thinking he’s consenting even more so than he does when you wave a milk bone at him to get him to bark.
We breed them. We use them in research, performing painful and dangerous tests on them that often leave them dead. We “humanely” euthanize them for no reason whatsoever. We feed them substandard food, or none at all, or we feed them well, purely for the sake of fattening them up so we can butcher them.
When it comes to arguing about bestiality, consent just doesn’t work as a defense, in my opinion. Because I’m quite sure no animal would consent to any of those things, least of all being the next item on the menu.
I cannot recall ever, while standing at the butcher’s counter, hearing anyone protest that the animal didn’t consent to being sliced and diced. What I *have* heard is “Can you slice that a little thinner, Bob?” But good lord. Sally Slut gets her cooter licked by a dog and all hell breaks loose.
My opinion on this is very much slanted in favor of the animal being the active participant though. I mean, let it do what it does on its own. You can’t force it to lick, you can’t force it to fuck, so if it’s doing it, *shrug*, it’ll quit when it’s done I guess.
But I’d slam the brakes on the animal being the fuckee and not the fucker. While I doubt the average male penis is going to hurt the inner workings of your average horse (I mean, seriously. Have you SEEN the size of horse’s penis? For sure, it’s a tad larger than a man’s and a mare can easily handle that!). Besides, I’ve seen tv shows and been on farms where a grown man has stuck his arm elbow-deep (and beyond!) up a cow/horse without so much as a how-do-you-do or a kiss hello, and the animal barely lifts her head out of the feed. So I’m thinking a man back there poking his wee-willy-wonka around would be about as noticeable as a fart in a hurricane.
But smaller animals stand to suffer. That’s not cool.
Before anyone asks, I’m not about to start up a sex affair with the pooch or anything like that. Quite honestly, the idea of it turns my stomach something awful. However, I do get amused at the objections people offer when the subject comes up, or how up-in-arms angry they get, crying about animal abuse, while nomming down on a burger and fries.
Speaking of which, I’m hungry!
Tags: bestiality
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Monday January 12th, 2009 1:05pm
Eh. For me, it’s a case-by-case basis. There are some people, who are even further out there than Otherkin, and talk about loving relationships with a superior partner. Um. If their genitalia is superior, why does their sperm cause miscarries? As a whole, it’s a topic I shy away from. It’s just too grey of an area for me. But I like your argument.
For me, I don’t like the attitude towards animals that says that sexual relations with them is ok. Then again, I don’t eat indutstrial meat or eat fur either.
Human hypocrisy when it comes to animals is nothing new, though. There are loads of people who will claim that they “love animals” while smilingly petting a cute kitten, while at the same time enjoy a chicken leg without hesitation, not spending a second thought on how that chicken have lived it’s life. (If I had treated my cute kitteh or dog like the chickens are treated every day, those “animal lovers” would have screamed in disgust and called me an animal abuser).
“or eat fur” should of course be “do not wear fur”.
This is so very strange – we must be tied to the same wave length. The past several weeks I’ve been afflicted with lackalabido-itis and – thankfully – was well fucked on Saturday (boy, I really needed that). And then we were just talking about this same thing about animals this weekend.
I’ve seen the porn and agree with you that it’s a stretch for me to feel sorry for Rover when he seems to be getting exactly what he wants. It started as an innocent conversation when we were laying in bed (me reading my book, Sir reading his Newsweek) and he started being really rough with Ralph (our stray male that had kittens last summer and since he’s been fixed, we’ve gone back to the original assumption that he’s male). Anyway, Sir contends that if he didn’t like to be played with roughly, he would get off the bed. And the story progressed to consent, and animals doing and getting what they want, blah, blah, blah.
I’m 100% with you on this one. This isn’t something we engage in, and wouldn’t even bring the subject up with anyone I know, but, come on –
junebug
OK, I’ll be the one to piss people off(with an apology to kaya!)
I love animals, espically with salt and pepper! Kiss my countrified ass PETA!….soon to be banned for life, Prof
I’m not interested in bestiality, but the consent argument is an amusing one, especially since I once thought the same thing until, you know, I thought about how animals don’t really consent to anything heaped upon them. I have no issues with eating animals or with wearing their fur. Animals are lower on the food chain and are inferior to humans. I’ll probably catch hell for that, but whatever, it’s the truth. I’m fairly judgmental about people who fuck animals or are fucked by them. I mean, I’m not going to seek them out just to tell them how fucked up I think they are, but I do think you’re fucked up if you think fucking animals is an acceptable thing. I won’t associate with people who fuck animals. What makes fucking animals unacceptable, but eating/wearing them acceptable? That’s a good question that I’m not sure I have an answer for. Perhaps it’s just a visceral reaction for me rather than a rational one. I’ll have to give it some more thought.
Yanno, my dog is a lesbian.
It pisses Master off. Not because she is trying to get to *His* cooter, but because He is the one who wakes up thinking there is an earthquake in Arkansas as I try to remove her chihuahua head from my vagina.
I fully expect it to make a suction sound when I have to pop it out someday.
Damn dog can’t hold her licker.
That is the funniest thing I’ve read in a long while!
Ya know that scrubbing bubbles commercial where they go “Ewwww!” That is about the same reaction I had to this. I understand the point of amusement, n’ argument on the whole thing. But the thought just makes me go “Ewwwwww!”
Kaya,
You DO find the most facinating subjects to throw up for discussion. I’ve read some beastiality porn on storiesonline (they’ll let you post ANYTHING, honest to God) and soem of the tales have enough anatomical detail to make one sure that someone has been doing research of some sort. I’ve even found it occasionally arousing. The whole food vs. sex thing is, IMHO a straw man. The simple fact is that you can’t have a healthy diet that’s free of animal food (no matter what the veggetarians in your audience might say), while you can have a healthy sex life free of animal sex.
As for the reasons for the moral judgement, blame the bible for this one. At the end of the flood, God quite clearly gave man “all these animals” for use as food, while a little later, he bans sex with animals with a death penalty for both the person and the animal. So, as a result, the three major monotheistic religions all approve of eating animals (most of them at least) and frown on screwing them.
As for the cruelty charges, yes, food animals have a hard life that ends in a hard death. But, wild anijmals have even harder lives that end in even harder lives of being eaten alive, starving slowly from food shortages and dying from every disease that comes down the pike. Nature is cruel, immensly cruel. Compared to their lot under the “gentle” ministrations of Mother Nature, we treat our food animals like kings, with the best health care (no one wants to eat sick animals), plenty of food (we want lots of fat filled meat), and a less painful death (we let them die before eating them).
Oh, is that my soapbox? Sorry (kind of). We now return you to your regularly scheduled kaya blog.
Dave
I don’t want to turn kaya’s blog comment section into an animal welfare debate, but I just have to comment on dweaver999′s comment about us “treating animals as kings”. That is simply not true. It is very, very far from true. You only need to take a look at how chickens live, for instance, to see that their lives are much worse in captivity.
It is of course very comfortable to think otherwise, and I can understand why many people doesn’t want to hear or know how the lives of the household animals really are, but that is simply not true.
To not bring this debate any further as this is not my soapbox either, I won’t comment further on this issue.
Thanks for saying it so I didn’t have too.
I’m actually of the same mind as you. Beastiality isn’t my thing at all, and I generally just say that I don’t agree to it–but when it comes right down to it, I don’t agree with it because of the issue of consent, which is really mostly relevant when the animal is the fuckee instead of the fucker.
Note to self: next time finish your thought before you hit post.
Anyway, to continue, I do eat animals, and while the animals didn’t consent to being killed, in most cases I know that they’ve been killed quickly and as humanely as possible. (The majority of the meat I eat comes from my farm, although I sometimes buy beef from the store if we happen to run out before we’re planning to butcher again.)
One of the major issues re: consent/the animal being the fuckee is that if the animal is the fuckee under duress, it creates a situation of pain, trauma, and fear for the animal. Potentially a situation which repeats itself over and over and over again, depending on how many times the animal is forced to participate.
So yes–the animals I eat didn’t consent to be killed. However, when they were killed, they were killed as quickly and humanely as possible. It’s not enough for some people–and I respect that–but it’s enough for me.
I feel similarly. I do my best to eat cage free & cruelty free. So I do believe consent (read: pain-free) is an important point re: sex with animals. So if a chihauhau decides to chomp on vagina by its own design, and the vagina is for it, I am too. If you gotta train a dog to lick you with a treat, then the dog does it willingly, I’m fine with that too. However, if the animal is the one being done, it’s far trickier.
for me – it just doesn’t interest me. First off, being mounted by my pitbull mix when he was going thru his I got balls phase, really fing hurt. I am not talking about mounting my leg either. For about two months, i could not sit on the ground with him for fear of him pinning me to the ground and going to town. You know the video with the bunny going to town on the balloon. yeah.. that was us. Dogs freaking hold on for dear life. FUN!!! I had a kitten that was really interested in my nipples, and yeah, she got to ride on terra’s great adventure a couple of times. Those little needle teeth will wake you right the hell up! And yeah, there is know way that a horses dong is going near any one of my orifices. that is just not right.. 22″ shaft????
I think the appeal to those that are into bestiality is the degradation. If animals are truly inferior to us (which in my mind they are not) then watching some dudes wife get boned by Kelly the wonder donkey could be really hot. Kelly is getting off on being watched and all parties are satisfied. Beside the pain part of being boned by rover — i think for me it is the same way i look at children. It is something that the don’t really comprehend. Sure, they are enjoying the heck out of it because they are pleasing but do they really truly get what it is that they are doing? And that is where i have to draw the line for myself.
Yeah, I wouldn’t want to have sex with my puppy because it would feel kinda like incest. I think of him as my dependent and almost like son. He likes to lick me alot (face, arms, etc). In the morning, I head for the bathroom first thing and he comes running into greet me. He loves to smell my crotch and I alway say, “No cunnilingus.”
OMG Kaya…
I almost spat sprite all over my laptop when I read this post.
This just cracked me up. I don’t think I could even contemplate doing anything with an animal. Even considering it just sends me into fits of laughter.
Thanks for the morning grin.
Hey, you should write one post a week and call it the weekly grin just for me.
xox
Shortly after breast surgery I woke up one day to find my cat licking the bandage glue residue off my boob. Does this count?
I can’t say that doing anything sexual with animals have ever interested me, but I’m of the thought that if the animal wants it, then I’d go along with the idea that it is ok. (As in, a horse is doing the fucking, but not a man fucking a rabbit.)
And if Tavi’s chihuahua can get me to orgasm, I’d go along with that too!
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I just wanted to make the note that scientifically speaking, Fido DOES want to roll over, sit, beg and fetch for you. Scientifically speaking, dogs evolved from wolves because, and only because, there were humans hanging around with trash piles and a little extra meat if these dogs could do something for them. It was easier (call them lazy) for them to schlep for a human than to find their own food. Scientifically speaking, if a dog can’t figure out how to get steak out of a cage, it will sit back and stare pitifully at a human (or bark or sit or shake) until the human gives it to him. A wolf will just keep digging at the cage obsessively and completely ignore a human. I’m just saying, don’t feel sorry for dogs, they want to please. There’s definitely something in it for them.
Does this sound like anything else…?
PS. I’m not advocating sex with your dog.
PPS. Please don’t have sex with your dog…even if he wants it.
as i’ve said before…
i’ve always wanted to see you take a nice throbbing knot.
you’d fucking love it.
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